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Permalink Reply by Jonnie on June 11, 2009 at 3:14am

well thats a given
the gods and goddesses reside in all living things as well as nature
so better attuning yourself to all living things as well as nature is honoring them
theres no right or wrong way when it comes to wicca or the craft in general,
thats the beauty of it you can make it your own.
as long as you bide the wiccan law

Permalink Reply by Alorer the Greek (Wyatt) on June 11, 2009 at 4:49am

The Rede is no law. The only "wiccan laws" there are, are the Ardanes.
Wicca is quite specific and NOT "make it your own". That is highly mistaken. There ARE right and wrongs ways to practice the Craft. If one decides to start invoking all kinds of things without any basic protection or even knowledge on such things or if one chooses to spread misconceptions and wrong info then that is a WRONG way to practice.

Oh and Wicca does not equal the Craft you know. They are interwined but not one and the same.

Permalink Reply by Jonnie on June 11, 2009 at 11:00am

look your opinion is just that an opinion
obviously the basics such as casting circles, protection, etc,
need to be done a certain way, but thats with anything you always have to start with the basics
however once you get the basics down you could very well make it your own

and i wasnt referring to the rede as wiccan law,
if i was talking about the rede i would have said rede, not law
as i stated before i'm not clueless.

Permalink Reply by Lark on June 11, 2009 at 11:18am

Hey Jonnie,

Briank asked that we stop posting to this thread so it will close and go away.

-Lark-

Permalink Reply by Lark on June 10, 2009 at 2:05pm

I don't think you're foolish, I think that (as you say yourself) you're very new to Wicca and that you don't yet understand its beliefs as well as you will later if you continue to study and grow. Some of us have been Wiccan for a long time, I've been Wiccan for nearly 30 years. What I'm trying to explain to you is that the Rede does not say what you think it says.

Stop and think about this for a moment and you'll see why interpreting the Rede as "harm none" is something that cannot be done. Did you have something to eat today..then you harmed a plant or animal or both. Did you turn on the electricity in your house...then you harmed the environment. Did you drive anywhere in a car...then again you harmed the environment. The very act of staying alive requires that we do some sort of harm by our actions. What if someone broke into your house and threatened your family, would you do nothing? But acting could case the person harming you harm themselves. See this is where interpreting the Rede as "harm none" backs us into a philosophical corner.

We are not saying that one can go about harming others at will. We are saying that sometimes our actions may cause harm that cannot be avoided. We must therefore chose our actions wisely and be willing to accept responsibility for our actions. For example, if I chose to eat meat (which harms the animal I eat) then I have a responsibility to insure that that animal is raised and slaughtered in as humane a fashion as is possible to do.

Being Wiccan is less about having rules that bind our behaviors and far more about personal responsibility and ethical choices.

And Wicca is not about being "in tune with nature". Wicca is a specific religion (and even more specifically a fertility cult) that is created to honor the God and Goddess of the Wica and celebrate the cycle of birth, death, and rebirth that they represent. The reason that Wiccans are attuned to nature is that we see our God and Goddess as being present within all of their creation, which includes nature. It is not nature that we worship, but the Divinity that is present within the natural world.

Since you are new to Wicca I would be more than happy to offer you some good references on Wicca to help you learn more about it and improve your understanding of the religion you have chosen.

-Lark-

Permalink Reply by Alorer the Greek (Wyatt) on June 11, 2009 at 4:44am

First, not everyone follows the Rede nor are the beliefs and tenents of one faith universal truths.
Second, no one said that YOU are a fool, you just interpret everything according to your taste and have zero tolerance for any kind of criticism which effectively nullifies any prospect of enlightenment and improvement as a human being.
Third, negativity, necessary harm etc are half of all of life and everything in existence. To deny half of one's nature is imbalanced, certainly non-Wiccan and THAT is what is foolish.
Fourth, the way (purely linguistically) the Rede is written is one of the conditionals. That means it is NOT a command, it is NOT a law, it is NOT any kind of dictation. It is easy to see and say only the first half of the Rede. What if one chooses to use in the same way the latter half? Thus he or she could do whatever they wanted without the slightest moral consequence. And to those who might protest against this logic I pose this: it is the same as yours. If you choose to forget the latter half of the Rede then another one could forget the first half. Doesn't the Creed specifically states Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill? Then why are only the first four and mostly only two are used? Isn't that out of the wiccan principles?
Finally, being a Wiccan can mean lots of things. It may mean to be initiated in one of the BTW trads. It may mean to follow the Rede and it may mean to honour and worship in specific ways. I prefer to identify Wiccans (without being one) by all three such traits.

Permalink Reply by Jonnie on June 11, 2009 at 11:19am

well wicca is as i stated before, after you get the basics down,
what you make of it
as the rede says
do what ye will,
so if people only want to use the first half then they very well can
but that is only my opinion

and i'm aware the rede is not wiccan law, i never said it was i was sure to separate the two

and i accept criticism but it got to a point where criticism turned to insult
but thats over and done with as it should be

Permalink Reply by ibaramajo (Avebury Duty Witch) on June 10, 2009 at 12:07pm

What we are saying in a nutshell is:
* We are up for discussion
* Be prepared to cite sources/stand up for your comments. Wear flameproof overalls if needed.
* Not all people here will follow there Rede. The Rede also says avoid idiots.
* At this time you have not shown yourself to be an idiot
* You have however been shown to be immature.
* The site has offered you a chance to redeme yourself. All is not lost.

Annnnnnd breathe :)

Permalink Reply by Brian K on June 10, 2009 at 2:51pm

Im closing this thread


remember the arguments will get all who are involved banned.

Permalink Reply by Jonnie on June 10, 2009 at 8:57pm

i know that second part is just a poem
but i thought it fit well after the rede quote

Permalink Reply by Jonnie on June 10, 2009 at 9:22pm

lark
i'm talking intentions
intentionally setting out to harm
and i understand where electricity comes from, and i use as little as possible
and i dont eat meat
also aware of plants and i pay my respects to them every meal

i understand what you guys are saying,
but believe me i'm not clueless

but i do appreciate the advice anyway

blessed be

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